water powered car: urban myth?
I’ve heard, could be an urban myth, that the water powered engine was invented but copyright bought and immediately squashed by some big multinational either car or fuel company.
Anyone know anything about this? and does anyone know anything about how any potential water powered engine would go? All I can think of is adding lye and using the resultant heat to power movement, but lye isn’t exactly environmentally friendly itself lol.
Cheers, Bridgette.
Thanks for the stanley steamer idea - except that that’s not water powered, it’s coal or wood or whatever created the steam.
Something tells me this water powered car is pure myth.
It’s not an urban myth !
Water is H20 , so H2 comes from water , not the other way round .
Joe invented this cell many years ago , of course the oil company have him made silence so the product never get to surface on the market .
Check this out !
http://www.joecell.com.au/index.html
The Stanley Steamer was water (steam) powered in the early 1900s
If it could have been done then it can be done better now
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer
i saw an article about this they are working on this over in the middle east like dibali or something like that but it worked off pressurizing the water with air but they don’t go fast and if over pressurized blow up, they also are trying to do pure air with the same idea of pressurizing it.
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Yep, totally wishful thinking (at least in the sense I think you are talking about).
Now, you can build a hydrogen powered car that has water as a waste product, but there are various reasons to prefer one buring a hydrocarbon instead (Easier fuel handling and better volumetric energy density mainly).
Anyone who has ever worked in the automotive industry in any sort of design capacity can tell you stories of the total kooks who inhabit this space, do a search on ‘water arc’ to see some more truly horribly bad "science". One company I worked for had a "museum" of the weird things people had sent in for us to "evaluate"…..
My favourite was a magnet you were supposed to clip over the HT lead from the coil that would "improve fuel efficiency", it quite obviously could do no such thing..
The internal combustion engine has had a LOT of development over the years, and a modern small bore diesel is a very tough act to beat in terms of energy conversion efficiency.
The Indians (Tata) are trying semi seriously for a compressed air powered car, but the overall efficiency will suck due to the thermodynamic non reversibility inherent in storing high pressure gas. I think the win of no pollution at point of use may mitigate this for some applications however.
Regards, Dan.
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I worked on a alternative fuel vehicle project for a major car company for a while (Back during the "Hydrogen economy" sillyness).
It is an urban myth.. Water itself does not have the energy to run a vehicle (without the input of another fuel.. or chemical to make it react). Water is at a very low energy state. (unless it is converted in a nuclear reactor i.e. fission). So, it is a physical and chemical impossibility to run a car on just water.
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It’s not an urban myth !
Water is H20 , so H2 comes from water , not the other way round .
Joe invented this cell many years ago , of course the oil company have him made silence so the product never get to surface on the market .
Check this out !
http://www.joecell.com.au/index.html
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Water doesn’t burn, so it makes a really poor fuel.
Car engines run at about 20% efficiency, so if you use a car engine to make electricity, use that electricity to crack water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, and feed that as fuel into the car, you will use 80% more energy than you generate by burning the hydrogen.
In diesel engines, adding a small amount of hydrogen to the intake manifold (as is also done with natural gas injection) will cause a small pre-ignition in the combustion chamber, this raises the temperature and means the diesel is injected into a flame-front. In some circumstances that would result in more complete burning, possibly more power and more thermal efficiency.
Where this story really comes from is water injection. During WWII, Allied bombers used both superchargers and turbochargers in series, which made quite high effective compression ratios–which created major problems with pre-ignition. To raise the effective octane of the fuel, we added water injection. Adding water to the combustion chamber cooled it, but also generated steam (which raises the pressure and hence the power) and also prevented pre-ignition of the fuel, which can cause major damage. The net result was planes with more power, an ability to run at higher altitude, and more range on the same amount of fuel. Some creative people have adapted this idea to cars, possibly some even succeed in making a huge boost in mpg. As long as you don’t count the long-term effect of extra water in the crankcase. But the people who advertise that you can run your car with your engine on nothing but water–those folks are scammers.
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The early model T’s could run on 100 proof alcohol which is 50% water. The water would turn into steam and the expansion would help push the pistons. Having some water would improve the energy extraction from the heat of combustion and street racers actually do use water injectors for this purpose, of course modern engines can only tolerate so much water before damage results. Under the heat and pressures found inside the cylinder, water can cause all sorts of interesting and unwanted chemical reactions. The water would only help extract the thermal energy, it wouldn’t add any energy in itself.
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water injection and steam production does not increase power of an ICE. The water cooling of the inlet air allows for more fuel to be added and that extra fuel gives more power.
While Ford experimented with the idea of using alcohol in the Model T, there was never a production Model T sold that could have been operated on alcohol. Henry Ford is quoted as saying: “We have found that 160-proof alcohol works very well in the ordinary gas engine on our cars and tractors”. And “Using alcohol in an ordinary Ford car, we are able to get 15 per cent more power than with the present gasoline”. This statement is often cited out of context as proof that Ford made a production Model T capable of operating on Ethanol, when in fact it was only an unsuccessful experiment that was conducted many years after the design of the engine.
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no myth ………….i am indian and i have seen water powered rockets…. cars—-possible
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yes i meant ontology and the quotation above is a questoing based on opinions and thinking.
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water conversion to hydrogen is in its infancy. Stanford University is doing allot of research on this. There is also a company located in West sacramento, Calif called the alternate fuel consortium, this company is made up of a number car companies and they appear to be working on fuel cells to produce hydrogen.
It’s all in its infancy and like all things takes time to grow if allowed.
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