Comments on: PERMACULTURE & PEAK OIL: Beyond ‘Sustainability’

By: luv2bud

luv2bud — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:08 +0000

But “the problem is …
But “the problem is the solution.” The decline and eventual collapse of our current false economy (based on the combustion of fossil fuels) wil finally get us off this accelerating treadmill of bigger - more - faster - faster. In a slowed-down economy, we will actuaaly have time to plant and tend gardens, learn about edible and useful wild plants (maybe they aren’t just weeds), spend more time with our families instead of dropping the kids off a day care, and stop fighting with our neighbors.

By: irkone

irkone — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:08 +0000

If you think …
If you think Holmgren is not optimistic, you aren’t too familiar with reality as it is. Listen to some Richard Heinberg or Jay Hanson or Michael Klare or James Hansen or Sir David King. Colin Duncan, James Howard Kunstler, Peter Ward, Robert Jensen, Derrick Jensen, Jonathan Overpeck, James Speth. Just a list of some scientists, historians, activists, philosophers and social theorists who make Holmgren look like the figure of hope for humanity.

By: irkone

irkone — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:08 +0000

Could anyone direct …
Could anyone direct me to a downloadable mp3 of this segment?

By: luminaia

luminaia — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

14:30 - the …
14:30 - the correlation with nature is extremely insightful.

By: firecatgreg

firecatgreg — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

A more business …
A more business side and explanation that ties peak oil and economy together, google “crash course”.

It’s a problem of ever expanding growth beyond what fixed fuels and minerals can support. You can always cry and whine that they hide the oil, coal, fuel, resources, but the fact is exponential growth of populations cannot continue.

He has a good and noble goal, if we all operated out of love and co-operated. Competition = expansion. Good intentioned evolutions = pie in sky dreams.

By: permacultureli

permacultureli — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

excelent, what a …
excelent, what a visionary and gentle, positive man. I am working on developing the same discourse in spanish, and planning to make this kind of expository video for the spanish speaking community in the world….this is an ideal model. thank you.

By: polyzygote

polyzygote — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

we are living in …
we are living in the dark ages. watch the BBC documentary ‘a farm for the future’ to understand why.
pay particular attention to when they mention crop yields of permaculture farming (hint, they are high, especially when in the light of it’s energy input which is close to 0). there is a possible future for humankind but it will require a massive cultural shift. the documentary is on google video in full. good luck

By: wenrolland

wenrolland — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

Excellent video …
Excellent video with an excellent guest! David Holmgren is very insightful. With peak oil (pretty much now), we’ll have an economic collapse, I’m sure of it! Come check the videos from the Montreal Permaculture Guild!

By: polyzygote

polyzygote — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

peak oil is …
peak oil is absolutely 100% unavoidable, anybody who says otherwise is living in lala-land. the only argument with peak oil is when it will or has already happened.

By: TheMaineShag

TheMaineShag — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:30:07 +0000

who cares about …
who cares about peak oil, global warming tax. the whole point is to be as independent as possible from government and corporations. We should get off oil and we should stop polluting the planet. We have the power to do it ourselves